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inceptionradionetwork.com tonight

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we are going to be answering a very very

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interesting question tonight and that is

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do you really know the true story about

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what happened to adolf hitler

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and ava braun at the end of world war ii

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you may think you know the answer but

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the more i've read about it in the last

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several weeks the more questions i've

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tonight

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and the uh guys of jim mars

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they're perhaps not the guys uh fellow

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texans i'm real i'm real

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you're he's just barely swallowed part

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of a bison burger to get to the

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microphone here

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uh born in fort worth so this is going

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to be texas night

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jim we're going to kind of have our own

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little version of greater tuna here

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tonight

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sounds okay um

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jim as a if you haven't heard of jim

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then you've

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you really haven't been reading enough

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books uh he's a prolific author and

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speaker

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as i said born in fort worth began

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working as a journalist while still in

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junior high school

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and jim i know something about you that

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probably is not common knowledge i know

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that you made your tv

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debut on slam bang theater with icky

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twerp

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that's right that was that was monkeying

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right right one of the original apes

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right and i think probably you're partly

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responsible for all of those bigfoot

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sightings in north texas then

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well you know it's interesting because i

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am the first reporter

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uh who wrote about the lake worth

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monster

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which was a uh quite a quite a hoorah

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that went on there for a little bit

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of the people because it started off

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i mean it would start off it's very real

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uh i was police reporter for the

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forward star telegram and i went in

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early one morning to the police station

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was going through the police reports

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from the night before and

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there was a report of people who had

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been parking out at

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lake worth near the wildlife

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center and they reported that some hairy

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you know threw a tire at him and

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scared him to death you know and i

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thought oh what's this somebody's

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pulling a prank you know so

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i went to one of the police captains and

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i said you know what you know about this

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and he said well i don't know anything

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but those folks are still here and i

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went what so i went and found

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them and uh i want to tell you those

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folks were truly scared

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whatever it was they it wasn't a hoax on

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they they were really freaked out anyway

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that uh so i

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wrote a story on that and that started

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the great lake worth monster

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craze that went on for a while and there

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loads of people with guns they weren't

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out there looking for it you know and

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oh you know and make some howl or

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something and then the other half are

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shotguns and rifles they were really

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and uh so but luckily it all kind of

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died away and uh it's pretty interesting

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as an interesting story it still comes

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that you sent that gorilla suit to the

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right right no this one wasn't me this

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wasn't me they i understand that uh

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some months later i finally was led to

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understand that it was some students

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that were playing a prank they had an

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ape suit but they left the ape mask off

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afraid to come forward and fess up

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uh but i think the cops finally tracked

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what had happened who did it but number

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lake worth monster to continue to

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amble through history kind of like the

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lady of the lake

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well if if the lake worth monster

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happens to be out there tonight

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in cyberville listening to us we want

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you to call in later

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after uh the first hour of the show and

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reveal yourself

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to jim mars who started your career off

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he tried to help you out but the police

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so please call um you mentioned that

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they didn't have a great sense of humor

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about it

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no i bet they didn't and that image you

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described is very creepy with the clear

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mask yuck

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jim worked at the fort worth star

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telegram for a while and he was also in

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and that's when you started your

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well i've been investigating reporting

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right all along but uh yeah that's when

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one of the many books that jim has

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was crossfire the plot that killed

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kennedy which served as the basis for

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oliver stone's movie jfk and jim you

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were a chief consultant

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on the screenplay and the reproduction

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wow you if if you took the minute

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somebody in the chat room has popped up

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a picture of a bunch of your books

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uh in the chat room and it's the

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obviously there's so many of them that

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the print is tiny and you can't really

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make out what they are but you must go

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to amazon.com

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and check out jem's books and that's jim

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mars mars with two r's in it

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and let me give you his website it's jim

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with two m's and two r's no spaces.com

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jimmars.com so

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the topic at hand tonight jim

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is so interesting um

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the question is of course we've all been

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ever since the mid to late 40s that

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on april 30th right before the end of

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and she was killed he even had his

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german shepherd poisoned they shot two

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of her dogs in the head

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alleged skull that the soviets recovered

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which later through the years now turns

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we just didn't know about it

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there's another whole conspiracy oh yeah

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and in reading about this i have found

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at least six different books

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including yours that uh talk about some

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of these stories and it's fascinating so

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doubles is that correct oh yeah

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going to look good in the history books

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one of the epitomes of of the history

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as we all have heard uh history is

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uh you know and so much of what we think

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we don't really know uh i've done a lot

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of extensive research and i have found

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that you know we could have a program on

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each of these subjects but

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i found out that the the the fellow that

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biograph theater in chicago and they

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said they had killed

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public enemy number one john dillinger

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that was not really john dillinger

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butch cassidy and the sun dance kid and

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of course at the end of it they get

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gunned down by the bolivian army

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well according to my research they paid

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the bolivian army to say they had killed

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them and they slipped back in the united

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long lives under other names jesse james

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did the same thing

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was not booth that was killed in the

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in virginia uh he came in fact lived in

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committing suicide in enid oklahoma

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in 1909 and then the body was heavily

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carted around for a few years and in

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clippings that showed that the body was

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and the doctor said well history will

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based on eight known physical

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abnormalities we say this is the body of

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john wilkes booth

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so a lot of what we know we don't know

285
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and yes we all

286
00:11:59,110 --> 00:11:58,240
it's all just accepted history that

287
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hitler died

288
00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:02,320
in the bunker okay and yet uh

289
00:12:06,629 --> 00:12:04,560
there is too much information to suggest

290
00:12:09,190 --> 00:12:06,639
that that didn't happen

291
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um and it would have been a simple

292
00:12:13,110 --> 00:12:09,680
matter

293
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for him to simply say okay goodbye folks

294
00:12:17,910 --> 00:12:14,639
i'm going to commit suicide

295
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they'd slip in a a body double uh that

296
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shoots body double in the head

297
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in fact he said he gave orders when he

298
00:12:26,790 --> 00:12:23,680
went back to his private

299
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apartments for nobody to enter until

300
00:12:31,190 --> 00:12:29,200
after 15 minutes after they hear a shot

301
00:12:32,550 --> 00:12:31,200
well 15 minutes that's enough time to do

302
00:12:36,069 --> 00:12:32,560
all kinds of things

303
00:12:38,550 --> 00:12:36,079
so they hear a shot

304
00:12:40,310 --> 00:12:38,560
what a weird request don't come in until

305
00:12:41,190 --> 00:12:40,320
at least 15 minutes after you hear me

306
00:12:43,750 --> 00:12:41,200
kill myself

307
00:12:44,470 --> 00:12:43,760
i know i know only and it gets weirder

308
00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:44,480
because

309
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uh the one i like is ava brown's

310
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brother-in-law

311
00:12:54,949 --> 00:12:51,600
um spike line but

312
00:12:59,190 --> 00:12:54,959
fageline met with uh

313
00:13:02,150 --> 00:12:59,200
an actress friend of his there in berlin

314
00:13:03,829 --> 00:13:02,160
and told her that there was a body

315
00:13:05,430 --> 00:13:03,839
double of hitler

316
00:13:07,829 --> 00:13:05,440
and he said i'm not supposed to know

317
00:13:09,990 --> 00:13:07,839
that if if hitler finds out that i'm

318
00:13:11,110 --> 00:13:10,000
aware of this double he said my life

319
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will be forfeit

320
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and apparently that's why he was killed

321
00:13:18,150 --> 00:13:15,200
because he knew that there was a double

322
00:13:19,829 --> 00:13:18,160
in the bunker so anyway so he says yeah

323
00:13:21,190 --> 00:13:19,839
don't come in for 15 minutes and then

324
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after 15 minutes

325
00:13:25,350 --> 00:13:23,120
uh the first person to go in was martin

326
00:13:26,150 --> 00:13:25,360
borman who there is now abundant

327
00:13:28,710 --> 00:13:26,160
evidence

328
00:13:29,829 --> 00:13:28,720
to show that he actually escaped went to

329
00:13:32,949 --> 00:13:29,839
south america

330
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and ran the international nazi

331
00:13:37,190 --> 00:13:36,079
empire that continued in operation for

332
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years and years

333
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and in fact was kind of blended with

334
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the military-industrial complex of the

335
00:13:48,629 --> 00:13:45,680
united states

336
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and he was the first one to go in and

337
00:13:53,910 --> 00:13:50,720
then we have hitler's driver

338
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and and some other people who went in

339
00:13:58,150 --> 00:13:54,800
and by this time

340
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all they saw was a body wrapped in a

341
00:14:02,629 --> 00:14:01,920
blanket or a rug and of a man and a body

342
00:14:05,030 --> 00:14:02,639
of a woman

343
00:14:05,829 --> 00:14:05,040
also wrapped up and they carried them up

344
00:14:08,230 --> 00:14:05,839
and put them

345
00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:08,240
out in the garden and set them on fire

346
00:14:12,310 --> 00:14:09,519
and burned the bodies

347
00:14:13,430 --> 00:14:12,320
okay but see so the people who have been

348
00:14:15,430 --> 00:14:13,440
were in the bunker

349
00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:15,440
who see hitler they see him go into his

350
00:14:19,590 --> 00:14:17,360
apartment he says farewell

351
00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:19,600
they hear the shot they are called in to

352
00:14:22,710 --> 00:14:21,360
pick up the body of a man and woman

353
00:14:25,509 --> 00:14:22,720
carried out to the

354
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to the courtyard of the chancery there

355
00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:26,160
and

356
00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:29,279
help dispose of this body they probably

357
00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:30,320
in all honesty

358
00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:32,399
thought they were there and witnessed

359
00:14:35,670 --> 00:14:34,079
the death of adolf hitler

360
00:14:37,189 --> 00:14:35,680
but it would have been no problem

361
00:14:39,829 --> 00:14:37,199
whatsoever to simply

362
00:14:40,550 --> 00:14:39,839
kill the double leave and leave the body

363
00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:40,560
there

364
00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:43,600
of both the double and a double for

365
00:14:48,790 --> 00:14:46,720
for ava brown and then slip out

366
00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:48,800
there wasn't a back exit to his

367
00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:49,920
apartments

368
00:14:53,670 --> 00:14:51,760
which then could take them up and then

369
00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:53,680
there's some fairly detailed

370
00:14:56,870 --> 00:14:55,760
uh descriptions of how they could have

371
00:15:01,590 --> 00:14:56,880
made their way

372
00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:01,600
uh to the river where there was a a

373
00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:04,320
airplane with floats which had landed

374
00:15:07,829 --> 00:15:05,440
there the night before

375
00:15:08,870 --> 00:15:07,839
so it was entirely possible to land and

376
00:15:12,069 --> 00:15:08,880
take off

377
00:15:13,829 --> 00:15:12,079
and then this is where that was all

378
00:15:17,189 --> 00:15:13,839
covered in my book the

379
00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:17,199
rise of the force reich but another book

380
00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:18,480
that i'm particularly

381
00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:21,920
impressed with is one by the author

382
00:15:27,030 --> 00:15:23,920
simon dunstan and

383
00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:27,040
gerhard williams called gray wolf

384
00:15:30,710 --> 00:15:29,920
the escape of adolf hitler and it is a

385
00:15:34,910 --> 00:15:30,720
new book

386
00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:34,920
uh it was published in uh

387
00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:38,160
2011 and um

388
00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:41,600
dunstan is a author filmmaker and

389
00:15:44,949 --> 00:15:42,720
photographer

390
00:15:45,910 --> 00:15:44,959
and has written 50 books as well as

391
00:15:47,910 --> 00:15:45,920
written and directed

392
00:15:49,509 --> 00:15:47,920
documentaries for the history channel

393
00:15:52,629 --> 00:15:49,519
which is pretty conventional

394
00:15:53,269 --> 00:15:52,639
and pretty stayed and demands pretty

395
00:15:55,590 --> 00:15:53,279
high

396
00:15:56,550 --> 00:15:55,600
level of credibility and then garrard

397
00:15:59,110 --> 00:15:56,560
williams

398
00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:59,120
is a television journalist and for more

399
00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:01,199
than 30 years and he's worked for bbc

400
00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:03,759
sky news and reuters so to me these are

401
00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:05,279
pretty credible guys

402
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:07,040
and they have interviewed people and

403
00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:08,880
they have tracked hitler's movements

404
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:11,360
by airplane and then by submarine to

405
00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:12,480
argentina

406
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:16,480
where uh millions of dollars worth of

407
00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:19,839
gold silver and currency were placed in

408
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:22,720
the hands of juan peron

409
00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:25,759
and his wife evita

410
00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:29,680
so they sheltered hitler there

411
00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:33,360
and he ended up living out his days

412
00:16:37,749 --> 00:16:37,440
in uh on a small lake and a village

413
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:37,759
there

414
00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:42,000
near the border of argentina and chile

415
00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:45,199
called said carlos de boellachi

416
00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:47,360
okay and they interviewed people who

417
00:16:50,949 --> 00:16:48,240
were there and who

418
00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:50,959
served served food and who served

419
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:53,120
maintain the grounds and like that

420
00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:55,519
and apparently it was kind of an open

421
00:16:58,629 --> 00:16:56,560
secret

422
00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:58,639
you know that the people who were there

423
00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:00,320
because there had been such a heavy

424
00:17:04,870 --> 00:17:02,000
german presence

425
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:04,880
in that part of argentina and including

426
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:06,480
people with lots of money and

427
00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:10,400
and where with all and they were able to

428
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:14,319
shield hitler but uh i will say this it

429
00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:16,079
doesn't sound like he

430
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:19,520
had much of a life he uh he was

431
00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:22,640
ill and getting worse because of the the

432
00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:23,919
bad

433
00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:25,760
medicine that he'd been given by dr

434
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:27,199
morale and

435
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:30,720
uh his uh and because of the damage that

436
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:32,000
he suffered in the bomb

437
00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:35,520
attack of july the 20th 1944

438
00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:38,160
and uh which was has now been shown at

439
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:38,559
uh

440
00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:46,799
secluded he's cut off

441
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:48,320
from the world he can't really do

442
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:50,480
anything and so it's uh

443
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:52,320
there towards the end his life was to

444
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:54,240
sleep late get up

445
00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:56,080
eat a little meager breakfast take a

446
00:18:00,630 --> 00:17:57,520
walk sit around

447
00:18:02,630 --> 00:18:00,640
rant a little bit maybe and then

448
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:02,640
eat again go to bed it does it doesn't

449
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:04,080
sound like a very

450
00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:07,120
exciting existence in fact according to

451
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:09,600
their work ava brown got fed up with the

452
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:11,039
whole thing and finally like

453
00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:14,400
left him after uh delivering a baby girl

454
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:16,640
oh so they had a child so they had a

455
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:18,559
child apparently

456
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:21,360
according to these guys uh-huh and it's

457
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:22,880
just kind of funny because

458
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:26,000
they claimed that she gave birth to a

459
00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:29,919
little girl and there are conspiracy

460
00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:30,799
theories

461
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:34,080
that claim that uh that uh

462
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:37,440
merkel of germany uh president merkel

463
00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:40,080
is actually the illegitimate daughter of

464
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:40,880
hitler

465
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:43,600
oh which i had heard a long time ago and

466
00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:45,280
just kind of laughed that one off

467
00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:47,039
but now i go well wait a minute if you

468
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:48,880
had a little girl i don't know we'd have

469
00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:50,720
to go back and find out when merkel was

470
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:52,080
born

471
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,640
i may look on that right now yeah stay

472
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:56,640
tuned folks uh jim might do a little

473
00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:58,160
online research while we're on here

474
00:19:02,950 --> 00:18:59,360
talking

475
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:02,960
um the um soviets

476
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:05,520
i i had done some reading about all of

477
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:07,760
these discrepancies and their claims

478
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:08,080
they

479
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:20,240
earlier

480
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:22,000
it turns out that the only skull that

481
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:23,520
they produce that they said was supposed

482
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:25,840
to be his is supposedly a 26 year old

483
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:26,640
woman

484
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:28,480
what's what's the deal with all of the

485
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:31,039
discrepancies in the soviet account

486
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:32,960
of of the remains of these two people

487
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:34,720
that they claim to have found as they

488
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:38,000
marched into the bunker well

489
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,760
at the end of the war number one needs

490
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:41,600
to say there was a tremendous amount of

491
00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:42,640
confusion

492
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:46,480
uh there were dps nobody remembers dps

493
00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:46,960
that's

494
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:50,400
displaced persons there's lots of dps

495
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:52,080
wandering all over europe

496
00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:54,320
uh nazis were running for the rat lines

497
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,919
they were trying to get out

498
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:57,760
uh the germans were scrambling just

499
00:20:01,750 --> 00:19:59,919
trying to get a piece of bread

500
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:01,760
the russians were piling in from the

501
00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:03,760
east and the allies the british and the

502
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:05,840
french and the americans were piling in

503
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:07,200
from the west

504
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:09,600
it was total chaos and on top of all of

505
00:20:15,029 --> 00:20:12,320
that the russians had

506
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:15,039
units of men's troops that were in there

507
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:15,760
seriously

508
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:18,799
and looking for rockets rocket

509
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:19,520
scientists

510
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:22,080
rocket technology uh mind control

511
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:23,200
technology

512
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:27,919
we did too we had

513
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:30,159
we had units going in there specifically

514
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:31,600
looking for this stuff

515
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:34,640
and so it was it was quite chaotic

516
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:37,679
and so um nobody wanted

517
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:40,080
and everybody was war weary nobody

518
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,600
wanted everybody was so

519
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:43,919
happy that the war was over that was it

520
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:44,880
i mean even

521
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,640
even many of the germans even though

522
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:48,400
they lost at least they were glad the

523
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,000
shooting was over with

524
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:53,039
and uh nobody wanted the thing to go on

525
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,880
so every little rumor that hitler was

526
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:56,640
dead was seized upon and

527
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,039
as truth and presented and blown all

528
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:00,720
over the place

529
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:04,080
and so uh even after even into the 50s

530
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,520
and 60s when

531
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:08,159
some of these um bits of information

532
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,280
were leaking out of

533
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,679
argentina and perhaps other places

534
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:13,679
saying hey we think hitler lived

535
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,760
you know there was never anything

536
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:17,360
hardcore you couldn't put your

537
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:19,280
finger on it you couldn't there wasn't

538
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,640
wasn't a picture of him

539
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,320
and the one people because he was

540
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:24,720
protected by pro nazis

541
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:27,200
yeah so and so nobody there was nobody

542
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:27,760
to say

543
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:29,840
hey it's him there he is i got a picture

544
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,799
of him you know

545
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,320
and even though these reports were

546
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:33,919
pouring into the fbi

547
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:37,360
the cia uh nobody really wanted to deal

548
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,919
with that

549
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:40,080
so they just said well it's unconfirmed

550
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:41,840
and they let it go and they let his

551
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,720
hitler history just to go right on

552
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:46,080
saying that he'd been killed in the

553
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:47,600
bunker

554
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,280
i wondered about this for years and

555
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,440
years and years because i've had a uh

556
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:53,600
a fascination and interest in the third

557
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,799
reich

558
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,640
well just for many many years and i've

559
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:58,240
heard these stories and i've tried to

560
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,200
track them and

561
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,200
and sometimes your tracks back to the

562
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:03,120
police gazette which was you know kind

563
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,080
of a

564
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,000
supermarket tabloid type and the

565
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,840
tabloids have always had a heyday with

566
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:09,520
that you know hitler's always seen

567
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,320
somewhere

568
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,799
you know he's not in argentina you know

569
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,159
he's he's seen in

570
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:16,080
arizona or if he's not there he's at

571
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,360
woodstock you know

572
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,919
so i mean he's always a hitler sighting

573
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,880
somewhere

574
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:23,039
and and of course what better way to

575
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:24,880
obscure the truth than to just have a

576
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,360
lot of

577
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,320
flack out there you know to oh yeah

578
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,080
catch people's attention

579
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:32,640
so and that but as you pointed out they

580
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:33,840
said well we've got his

581
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:36,080
skeleton here and we've got a we've got

582
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:37,600
a skull and we've got the

583
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,919
teeth and we got all this and yet all of

584
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,600
that can be called into question when

585
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:42,799
you really begin to

586
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,679
peel back the layers of propaganda and

587
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:46,960
assumptions and

588
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,000
and just flat sometimes lies

589
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,799
um i want to ask you something jim

590
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,000
somewhere i read

591
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,840
i can't remember which one of the the

592
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,600
pieces i read i did a lot of reading on

593
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:58,880
the internet the last

594
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:02,080
week or so martin borman uh someone's

595
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:02,880
claiming that

596
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:06,320
borman drugged the two of them

597
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,600
and got them out uh and then there's

598
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,600
accounts of them either going overland

599
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:13,440
through the alps or as you said

600
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,559
getting to uh is it the river hovel

601
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:19,039
and flying to i guess spain where they

602
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:21,039
got on a u-boat or something and made it

603
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,159
over to argentina

604
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:24,720
but do you think borman had a role did

605
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:27,840
he drug them or was he just helping them

606
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,640
well that's a good question uh for my

607
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,159
money i think i think

608
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,559
boarman was pretty much in charge he had

609
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,559
managed to make himself chief of staff

610
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:38,559
to hitler nobody saw hitler except they

611
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:39,840
went through borman

612
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:42,960
uh he began to uh uh to

613
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:45,520
separate some of the other nazi leaders

614
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:46,559
from hitler

615
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:49,440
um and then and then like when herman

616
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:50,080
goering

617
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,279
tried to say well shall i uh uh you know

618
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:55,200
try to conclude some sort of peace with

619
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,080
the allies

620
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:58,320
uh it was borman who convinced hitler

621
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,360
that that uh

622
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:01,279
guering had turned on him and become a

623
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,400
traitor and they

624
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,240
you know he ordered him to be put to

625
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:05,919
death and of course he ended up

626
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:08,880
committing suicide in allied hands but

627
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,760
so and so borman was definitely the guy

628
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,520
in charge in fact

629
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:16,080
actually it's even broader than that in

630
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,000
august of 1944

631
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:21,200
after the allies had broken out uh from

632
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:21,440
st

633
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,480
lowe uh of the normandy beachhead

634
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,640
uh it became quite obvious that the

635
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,000
germans were not going to be able to

636
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:30,159
push the allies back into the sea

637
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,600
and that they were on the continent to

638
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:34,080
stay so it was just a matter of time

639
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:35,840
before they would be able to

640
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:38,720
defeat germany so in august of 44 there

641
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:39,200
was a

642
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:42,159
big meeting between borman and the head

643
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:45,360
of the german central bank

644
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:48,320
and the head of the ig farbin chemical

645
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,559
and pharmaceutical combat

646
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,240
these were probably the three most

647
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:53,919
powerful

648
00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:56,400
men in germany at that time and they

649
00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:58,840
activated

650
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:02,480
uh action adler fluke

651
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,679
which is operation eagle flight and it

652
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:06,880
was the flight of

653
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:10,559
capital scientists technicians licenses

654
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:14,159
uh cut patents copyrights gold silver

655
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,720
jewels

656
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:17,039
anything worth anything they were taking

657
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:18,640
it out of germany

658
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,480
in fact they created 750 corporations

659
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,480
all around the world usually headed by

660
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,159
some foreign national

661
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:28,480
for example you go to paraguay you set

662
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:29,600
up a big corporation

663
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,480
you put some uh fella from paraguay in

664
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,840
as a figurehead

665
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,840
uh of it so that on the paperwork it

666
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,679
looks like a paradigm

667
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,919
uh company but actually it's funded and

668
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:41,279
run by the nazis

669
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,159
750 of these corporations were created

670
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,480
and that's in addition to the

671
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,559
five or 600 corporations that were

672
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,720
already nazi controlled

673
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,400
not to mention the fact that a lot of

674
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:54,480
the major uh british and american

675
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:56,000
corporations such as

676
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:00,000
ibm ford motor company

677
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,000
the standard oil of new jersey itnt

678
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,200
ibm they were had all done business and

679
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:09,279
were interconnected with

680
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,400
with nazi germany in fact ibm

681
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,799
although they did close down their uh

682
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:16,720
german their german operation they

683
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:17,919
continued to

684
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,760
to feed the third reich with

685
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,679
computers and computer technology and

686
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,120
punch cards through

687
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,159
a subsidiary of theirs in poland which

688
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:29,840
went straight to the nazis

689
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,880
so even these major u.s and

690
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,720
british corporations were still working

691
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,640
with the nazis

692
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:38,559
it's been well documented that as late

693
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:41,360
as early 1945 with the war

694
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:44,880
almost over uh standard oil uh

695
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:47,600
tankers were still refueling german

696
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,400
u-boats

697
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,880
in the caribbean and of course these

698
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,880
people are so big so powerful

699
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,880
they're the wealthy elite and they never

700
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,480
get prosecuted for

701
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:59,039
trading with the enemy except there is

702
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,640
an exception which is kind of

703
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:01,600
interesting

704
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:05,279
in the late fall of 1942

705
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,559
a director of union banking corporation

706
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,480
was prosecuted under the trading with

707
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,760
the enemies act

708
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,679
for being nothing but a financial front

709
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:15,600
man for hitler and the nazis

710
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:18,880
uh he was funneling loans and and

711
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:21,919
and money uh to nazi germany

712
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:25,520
and this was prescott bush

713
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,640
the uh another texan no no no

714
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:31,120
sorry no no no but he was he was the

715
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,559
grandfather of george w

716
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:34,640
bush and the father of george herbert

717
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:35,600
walker bush

718
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,799
and that and laura that's another thing

719
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:40,399
that really hurts me is everybody thinks

720
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:40,960
oh the

721
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,640
people you know well yeah they

722
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,080
they came down here and got in the oil

723
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:47,760
business with their money but

724
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:50,320
no they're yankee carpet baggers from

725
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:51,600
connecticut

726
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:54,240
all right in fact uh prescott bush was a

727
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:55,039
senator

728
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,000
create the central intelligence agency

729
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,720
from connecticut but he finally lost his

730
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,159
this office because

731
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,840
people finally figured out that he was a

732
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,840
nazi sympathizer

733
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,600
but now what's really fascinating is

734
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,120
when i found that out i thought

735
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,039
gee i wonder how this is about the time

736
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,960
when george herbert walker bush

737
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,640
was president and i thought well how

738
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,559
come people aren't aware

739
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,520
of this nazi background you know and how

740
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,679
come nothing more was done to prescott

741
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:25,600
bush other than just stripping of his

742
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:26,720
holdings

743
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:30,640
in union banking corporation and the

744
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,440
uh hamburg america steamship line which

745
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,440
was has been well documented as being

746
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:36,960
the chief conduit

747
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,159
of saboteurs and nazi propaganda coming

748
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:42,960
in from germany during the war

749
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:47,440
and i found out thanks to a website

750
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,799
that they were praised they had asked

751
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,720
his son george herbert walker bush to

752
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:54,159
come and officiate

753
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:57,679
and make a talk on the anniversary of

754
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:00,880
prescott bush's founding of the

755
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,440
united service organization in the

756
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,520
summer of 1942

757
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:07,840
when i'm sure he must have been aware

758
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:09,919
that they were investigating his nazi

759
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,720
ties

760
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,679
so he wasn't stupid he goes and helps

761
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:16,080
create the united service organization

762
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:17,120
well the uso

763
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:20,000
of course was huge during world war ii

764
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,120
right there's ufo

765
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,840
uso canteens everywhere and i gotta

766
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:25,440
admit they were still operating during

767
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,080
vietnam

768
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:28,640
which was my war and everybody in the

769
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,200
military

770
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,200
loved the uso that's where you go you

771
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,880
get to meet girls you get to have free

772
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:33,919
coffee and

773
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:36,159
donuts and get a little taste of home

774
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:37,520
and it's great it's a wonderful

775
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:38,640
organization

776
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,320
not to yeah bob hope and all the actors

777
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,159
would go and present things there

778
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,720
had the hollywood canteen you know with

779
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:48,559
hollywood stars would come and rub

780
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,520
elbows with the service people and it

781
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:53,279
was great wonderful organization well it

782
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,159
was

783
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,320
they helped created by prescott bush

784
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,320
this nazi sympathizer

785
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,399
so you can imagine in the middle of

786
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:03,200
world war ii they could not afford to

787
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,640
let the public know plainly that the guy

788
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,159
who founded the uso

789
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,720
was a nazi supporter that would have

790
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:12,799
been a propaganda disaster during the

791
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,520
war so

792
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,679
they just stripped him of his holdings

793
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:17,600
and fined him a few million dollars

794
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,080
which was probably pocket change to him

795
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:23,360
and everybody just went on and uh his

796
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:23,919
son

797
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,520
uh george herbert walker bush um

798
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,200
you know finally left connecticut they

799
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:31,200
came down to texas bought into the oil

800
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,240
industry and then

801
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,240
hey i don't have to tell you the rest i

802
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,080
became presidents of the united

803
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:38,320
states right and they pushed their

804
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:39,679
neocon

805
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,399
agenda which stands for neo-conservative

806
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:44,000
which was a prettied up

807
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,440
term for national socialism yeah

808
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,360
and isn't that an interesting little

809
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,279
tidbit

810
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,000
very interesting and of course the in

811
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,720
the uh german language the acronym for

812
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:58,080
national socialism is

813
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,399
nazi nazi so they were a bunch of nazis

814
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:05,120
and and and you're kind of bordering on

815
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:05,600
uh the

816
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:08,320
the topic of the illuminati here too oh

817
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:09,120
yeah

818
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:12,640
on and and i'm sure

819
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:15,039
hitler was was being kept up with some

820
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,559
of this but see he

821
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,559
by the time the war was over he was not

822
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:20,640
in charge it was martin borman

823
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:23,360
and uh hendrick mueller who had headed

824
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:24,720
the gestapo

825
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:28,000
um it's interesting uh my literary agent

826
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,880
in new york

827
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,799
was very good friends with paul manning

828
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,000
who was a

829
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,960
a new york times reporter who wrote a

830
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,159
incredible book

831
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:39,120
called martin barman nazi in exile and

832
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:40,720
he tracked borman all the way to

833
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:41,840
argentina

834
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:44,159
he tracked all these business deals that

835
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:44,880
were

836
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:48,640
up an

837
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:52,159
interview with uh barman down in south

838
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,200
america

839
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:56,240
back i think in the

840
00:32:02,710 --> 00:31:59,679
early 70s and

841
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:02,720
in fact he flew down there and was uh in

842
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,960
argentina and was set to meet with

843
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,960
borman because apparently barman was

844
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,399
somewhat proud

845
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:10,960
of this huge nazi organization that he

846
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:11,919
created

847
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:15,360
uh during and after the war to keep

848
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:18,399
national socialism on a front burner and

849
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:18,799
uh

850
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:21,440
but at the last minute mueller who was

851
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:23,679
had been head of the nazi gestapo and

852
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,240
who

853
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,559
apparently was in charge of security for

854
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,640
this whole international nazi

855
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:31,360
group uh put the kibosh on the meeting

856
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:33,039
and said no we don't want this publicity

857
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:34,080
this time and

858
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,679
he stopped it but what's really

859
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,200
fascinating is is that

860
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:40,080
paul manning who is no longer with us uh

861
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,360
told my agent

862
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:43,440
that while he was there he never did get

863
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:44,559
to meet hitler

864
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:48,559
but he did get to meet ava brown oh

865
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:52,080
in the early 70s interesting so there is

866
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:53,519
just more and more

867
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,320
evidence very highly suggested very

868
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:57,840
compelling evidence

869
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,320
that hitler did survive the war as did

870
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,840
ava

871
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,519
let me i want to ask you a question but

872
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,120
before i do let me remind everybody

873
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,440
you're listening to epic voyages radio

874
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,559
on inceptionradionetwork.com and this is

875
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,679
jim mars the indefatigable and he's

876
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:15,840
talking to us tonight about

877
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,960
uh where hitler and ava brown landed

878
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,880
because they didn't end up in the bunker

879
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:22,720
like everyone thinks

880
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:26,559
here's my question uh jim um

881
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:29,919
oh nuts i lost my place here

882
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:33,120
uh oh someone in the chat room had asked

883
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:34,320
a very good question

884
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:37,919
um we were talking about hitler's poor

885
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,480
health

886
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,960
earlier uh and i i had read somewhere

887
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,480
and i don't know if this is true that

888
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,320
he had parkinson's i don't know if that

889
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,240
was just the effect of the drugs that

890
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:48,080
his doctor had been giving him

891
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,519
but the the theory that he uh

892
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,760
basically kind of walked i guess unless

893
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:55,679
there was a motorcade that took him

894
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,360
an ava from the bunker

895
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:00,799
i don't know why i'm getting feedback

896
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:03,840
here took them from the bunker

897
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:07,200
across the center of berlin towards the

898
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:07,919
zoo

899
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,720
and then following the train lines over

900
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,720
to where you said they got to the river

901
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:14,879
and there was a pontoon boat

902
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:18,240
if he was in bad shape at that point in

903
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:19,760
time

904
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,560
how did he was that a walk or were they

905
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,399
carting him around in a car because that

906
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,040
that's a long walk for a guy who might

907
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,800
have parkinson's i know i've got a dad

908
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,079
with parkinson's so

909
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,119
right well number one i'm not i'm not

910
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:34,800
certain it's been proven or

911
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,119
substantiated it had parkinson's uh he

912
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,119
did have a limp and he did have some

913
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:41,119
i think neurological damage because of

914
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,159
the bomb

915
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,240
okay july 20th and then he had other

916
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,000
other physical problems but i'm not sure

917
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:47,599
that it was absolutely

918
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:50,320
uh nailed down as being parkinson's and

919
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:51,200
it i

920
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,639
i don't really know but it's my

921
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,800
understanding that yes they did walk a

922
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,639
few blocks but it was only

923
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,640
it wasn't a very it wasn't that long or

924
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,480
prolonged a period of time

925
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,480
uh and also he probably had some help

926
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,400
you know i'm not sure if they would have

927
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,160
carried him or just kind of supported

928
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:08,160
him okay okay

929
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:11,520
but i also found out that uh uh angela

930
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:12,480
merkel

931
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,920
um the chancellor of germany since 2005

932
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,280
she's the leader of the christian

933
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:21,680
democratic union

934
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:26,079
she was born in reportedly in 1954

935
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,320
and i'm checking here the book gray wolf

936
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,800
and it says that ava's daughter by

937
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:34,880
hitler was named ursula

938
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:38,720
and she was actually born in 1938

939
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:41,839
and they took her with them or they

940
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:50,109
argentina argentina yeah in september

941
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:51,280
1945

942
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:54,079
so i guess that leaves out angela merkel

943
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,720
as

944
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,880
hitler's daughter well now one of one of

945
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:58,560
these sources i was looking at in the

946
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,280
last week

947
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:01,839
said that they had two daughters yes so

948
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,320
maybe

949
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,800
it's possible that they had another one

950
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,800
and that's not the one that you found in

951
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:08,640
19 what did you say 38

952
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:11,680
38 that's possible

953
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:15,200
yeah um i also had had read that

954
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:18,880
there was quite a few very famous nazis

955
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,960
who landed in argentina and either

956
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:22,400
stayed there went to bolivia or

957
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:23,760
somewhere else

958
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,200
uh including mengele eichmann

959
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,839
oh yeah yeah uh draganovich who was

960
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,119
someone i read about

961
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,040
in a in another book that's just

962
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:36,240
chilling talk talk to us about

963
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:39,440
two things the rat lines and how the

964
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,000
vatican

965
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,280
played a role in this well the the rat

966
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:45,440
lines are simply a term for the

967
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:48,640
uh underground railroad so to speak that

968
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:49,040
uh

969
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,200
the vatican played a huge role in that

970
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:00,640
because so many of them

971
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,520
went out on vatican passports but then

972
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:05,119
you have to understand that

973
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,560
see there were all these secret

974
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:08,560
agreements made before during and after

975
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,200
world war

976
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,440
ii uh and a lot of people of course you

977
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,359
never get taught about this in school

978
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,760
there were the transfer agreements that

979
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:16,960
were signed in germany

980
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,599
in the early 30s which was we need to

981
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:21,440
get rid of the jews so we're just going

982
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,640
to pack them off

983
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,160
we're going to ship them to russia and

984
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,839
once we conquer lands there we're going

985
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,440
to send them to palestine

986
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,040
we're going to get them out of germany

987
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,880
but by the way before you get out you

988
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,560
have to leave behind all your

989
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,720
possessions and so we're going to you

990
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:36,240
know not only we're gonna get rid of

991
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:37,359
them but we're gonna

992
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,040
make a lot of money in the process and

993
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:40,640
these deals were cut with

994
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,680
some of the zionist leaders okay so

995
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,359
there were jews who turned into the

996
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,800
other jews

997
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,960
and in fact part of that was having to

998
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,000
do with the

999
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,079
zionist movement which is a political

1000
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:54,400
movement

1001
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,839
at that time pushing to create the state

1002
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,800
of israel

1003
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:01,359
and today the zionist movement is fully

1004
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:02,640
in support of

1005
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:06,240
the state of israel and uh that so in

1006
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:07,599
order to try to

1007
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,119
get israel created out of palestine

1008
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:13,200
uh they worked to deal with the nazis

1009
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,640
where they were going to

1010
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:17,280
uh the jews give up their possessions in

1011
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:17,839
not to

1012
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,440
allow them to immigrate to palestine

1013
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,119
that was the transfer agreements and it

1014
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:24,800
was involving some of the

1015
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,920
top zionists themselves and then and

1016
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,359
then you had a concordant that was

1017
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:31,200
reached with the vatican

1018
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,240
with the catholic church and

1019
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,760
which was kind of a we'll leave you

1020
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,599
alone if you leave us alone

1021
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:40,240
is kind of the way it worked out so many

1022
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:40,880
of the

1023
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,880
priests became nazis i gave the nazi

1024
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,240
salute and preached

1025
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:49,119
nazism from the pulpit because they they

1026
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,320
somewhat believed in it

1027
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,400
okay it's like hey we're gonna put on

1028
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,320
uniforms we're gonna march alike we're

1029
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,079
gonna everybody's gonna move in the

1030
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:57,839
same direction this is national

1031
00:39:01,190 --> 00:39:00,160
socialism okay we're all gonna be good

1032
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,200
socialists

1033
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:03,359
and it's all for one one for all you

1034
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,560
know and uh so they supported it

1035
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,560
and uh then at the end of the war since

1036
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:10,480
they had been nazis and since they had

1037
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:11,920
supported the nazis

1038
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,720
they were more or less constrained to

1039
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:16,400
help the nazis escape

1040
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:20,480
and they did using vatican passports and

1041
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,160
vatican sources and like martin barman

1042
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,000
reportedly hid out at a

1043
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:29,280
catholic monastery for a while uh and so

1044
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,320
that was the

1045
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,359
the tie-in there and i don't know this

1046
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,040
and i probably couldn't prove this but

1047
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:37,040
what i suspect is is that although

1048
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:38,480
hitler and the nazis

1049
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:42,320
uh tried to preach a a humanistic

1050
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,320
outlook they were kind of down on all

1051
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,000
religion uh they

1052
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,079
they tried to make hitler the god and

1053
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:51,040
tried to make nazism the religion

1054
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,560
but yet they knew that the huge swath of

1055
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,000
the german people were

1056
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:59,040
very uh religious in fact uh very uh

1057
00:40:01,829 --> 00:40:00,000
catholic

1058
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,839
so they had to reach accommodations with

1059
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,440
the catholic church

1060
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:06,000
and i kind of suspect that the catholic

1061
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,200
church decided

1062
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,520
these nazis are well organized they know

1063
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:11,040
what they're doing they've got a plan

1064
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,079
for the future

1065
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:14,400
they're going to conquer europe and

1066
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:15,680
perhaps the world

1067
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,319
and we better have a stake in this and

1068
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,640
maybe we can become their official

1069
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:23,280
state religion and there is some

1070
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:24,400
evidence to

1071
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,440
uh to back that up because uh although

1072
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,920
hitler's regime was basically

1073
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,079
anti-religious they nevertheless

1074
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:34,800
had a pretty close working relationship

1075
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:35,839
with the uh

1076
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:39,200
with the vatican yeah it seems like they

1077
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,880
they were very uh gleefully scratching

1078
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:45,040
each other's backs there for quite some

1079
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:45,920
time

1080
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:48,960
um i i covered in the uh

1081
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,000
files of fourth rank how that the uh

1082
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,280
the pope uh in the 30s

1083
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:57,680
i'm trying to think which one that was

1084
00:41:02,550 --> 00:40:59,839
uh i'd have to go look it up

1085
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,560
but he uh he suddenly started making

1086
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,160
well i think he began to realize what

1087
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:06,000
the nazis were up to and he began

1088
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:09,839
to make um anti-nazi speeches

1089
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:12,079
but he only made a couple of those

1090
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,119
before he

1091
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,400
kind of died under strange circumstances

1092
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:18,640
and uh it's interesting because his

1093
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,079
personal physician

1094
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:23,520
was a dr pitachi uh who just i'm sure by

1095
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,000
some

1096
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,000
strange coincidence happened to be the

1097
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:28,160
father of clara pitachi

1098
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,520
that was mussolini's mistress

1099
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,520
so you see how they're all tied together

1100
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,040
and once this pope died

1101
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,280
then the new pope came in and he was

1102
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,200
very pro-nazi

1103
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,200
and he was the one that was uh still

1104
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:43,040
serving at the at the end of wars and

1105
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,560
was able to

1106
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:47,280
along with a few of the ranking

1107
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:48,000
cardinals to

1108
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,280
get uh the nazis out of europe

1109
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:54,000
wow and of course then and then the the

1110
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,119
land the

1111
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:58,400
previous pope uh of course had been a

1112
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,800
nazi in his youth yes isn't it funny we

1113
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:04,319
just keep coming back around to the

1114
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,079
starting point on the circle

1115
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,880
that's right that's right i'm gonna

1116
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:10,240
we're gonna have to take a break in

1117
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:10,640
about

1118
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:14,319
a minute or two um i wanna i wanna ask

1119
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:15,760
you something there's a couple of really

1120
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,000
good

1121
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:18,000
questions in the chat boom chat room but

1122
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:19,520
somebody said that

1123
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,640
there that the bushes own 98 000

1124
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:25,200
acres in paraguay is that do you know

1125
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,480
anything about that

1126
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:28,079
i've heard different numbers i've heard

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77 000 but

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whatever it is it's yes it's true they

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bought a huge

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place down in paraguay and i i

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i joked about that at the time that was

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in the news briefly

1133
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and i said yeah maybe they're going to

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open a subdivision they're going to call

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it borman acres

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or uh bournemouth or maybe it is that

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they know well

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you know that the fuhrer went down there

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and hit out successfully maybe

1140
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we better have a place down there to go

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hide out

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because george herbert walker bush was

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quoted

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back in the early 90s as saying if the

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american people ever find out what we've

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done to them they're going to chase us

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down the street and lynch

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about an hour well not about 35 or 40

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minutes ago when you were talking that

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truth really

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dot-com welcome back everybody to

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epic voyages on

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00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:54,400
inceptionradionetwork.com tonight we're

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talking with

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00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:58,559
jim mars the prolific author of some

1252
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:01,680
really fascinating

1253
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,559
research books i would call them on

1254
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:06,000
various kinds of

1255
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:09,040
uh happenings since i would say well if

1256
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,480
we go back to hitler then i guess we're

1257
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,920
going to have to go back to the 30s and

1258
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:13,280
40s but

1259
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,280
uh jfk um 911

1260
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,599
all kinds of conspiracies that turn out

1261
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:20,720
not to be

1262
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,559
perhaps conspiracies um jim did you see

1263
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,720
uh i forget where i saw it on the

1264
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:28,880
internet this past week

1265
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,920
someone had cited research that they've

1266
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:34,079
they've actually looked at people who

1267
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,079
believe in conspiracies and they are

1268
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,640
more sane and normal than the people who

1269
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,240
say that there are no such things as

1270
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:42,800
these conspiracies did you see that

1271
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:45,680
hey i saw that and i thought whoa tell

1272
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,240
me something i don't know

1273
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,880
i already know that the people i talk to

1274
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:52,880
who talk seriously about conspiracy

1275
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,920
they're people who've done their

1276
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,599
homework and they know history

1277
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,599
and they know some of the controversies

1278
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:59,440
and i may not agree with them on every

1279
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:01,040
little detail they probably don't agree

1280
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,319
with me but at least

1281
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,000
they have an understanding that most of

1282
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,319
what we think we know is wrong

1283
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,880
and so no that i saw that story and and

1284
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,960
it didn't surprise me in the least

1285
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,280
uh some of the i know people who are

1286
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,960
college graduates some of them who have

1287
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,240
advanced degrees

1288
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,640
who are really really smart people and

1289
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:20,720
they are doctors and they are lawyers

1290
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:21,200
and

1291
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,160
you know there's nothing dumb about them

1292
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,640
and yet they are abysmally

1293
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:33,119
ignorant oh yeah and when you say

1294
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:33,760
ignorant that

1295
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,359
i mean they're stupid that just means

1296
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:37,839
they don't know things okay

1297
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,760
and they're too lazy to dig into it and

1298
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,040
find out exactly

1299
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,359
and then so but and then worse than that

1300
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,200
they have been so conditioned

1301
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,920
to accept conventional wisdom you know

1302
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:49,680
if it's on cnn

1303
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:52,480
uh you know or npr then oh it's just got

1304
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:53,520
to be true

1305
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,880
but if jim marxism or dr laura system or

1306
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:58,400
whatever well i'm probably just a

1307
00:50:02,549 --> 00:49:59,760
conspiracy theorist

1308
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,559
uh because i didn't hear that on cnn and

1309
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,400
yet you know you and i both know that

1310
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,760
cnn has put out

1311
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:08,079
absolute garbage absolute propaganda

1312
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,680
this is why their listenership

1313
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,839
just continues to drop because people

1314
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,760
are beginning to rise up

1315
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,760
same thing people go to wikipedia and

1316
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:17,280
they don't realize that wikipedia has

1317
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:18,240
been caught

1318
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:21,599
time after time you know making factual

1319
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:22,160
errors

1320
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,839
and slanting things and skewing

1321
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,000
information

1322
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:29,040
coloring things it's it's amazing uh the

1323
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,040
the things we don't get told about in

1324
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:32,800
fact what you were bringing up here is

1325
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,440
uh

1326
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,280
the fact that there's no question that

1327
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:37,119
hitler was put into power

1328
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:40,559
uh by western banking interest okay they

1329
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,440
funded him

1330
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,119
they helped build up germany we made

1331
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,119
loans the dolls loan

1332
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,520
and others to to germany to help them

1333
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:49,520
build up their military and that was all

1334
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:52,000
as a reaction to the spread of russian

1335
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:52,880
communism

1336
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,680
which we also created woodrow wilson

1337
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:57,440
wrote that during world war one in the

1338
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,559
russian revolution

1339
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,160
the bulk of the money that went from

1340
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,160
america to russia did not go to the

1341
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,520
korinsky government of the white

1342
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:04,800
russians it went to the

1343
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:07,359
bolsheviks went to the communist we

1344
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,800
created the communists and then they

1345
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,079
started getting out of hand they were

1346
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:12,400
talking about workers of the world unite

1347
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:13,680
you know and all of a sudden it looked

1348
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,720
like they were going to push their

1349
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:16,400
extreme form of socialism

1350
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:18,559
worldwide well the bankers didn't want

1351
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,839
that see because

1352
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,280
even though they talk about the new

1353
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:23,200
world order and today there's gonna be

1354
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,800
one world government

1355
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:27,200
they don't really want that if it's one

1356
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,640
world government then they'd make a

1357
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,240
decision that would stick

1358
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,319
everybody has to do it no they don't

1359
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:34,079
want that what they want is

1360
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:35,760
in fact if you want to see what the game

1361
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,240
plan is just go back and read the works

1362
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:40,400
of eric arthur blair

1363
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:42,400
eric arthur blair was a british

1364
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,440
socialist

1365
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:46,000
uh and well connected to the british

1366
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:47,280
aristocracy

1367
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:51,680
and in 1948 he wrote a book

1368
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:56,079
with the numbers transposed called 1984

1369
00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:59,520
and he used the pen name george orwell

1370
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:02,400
and he wrote what i feel like he knew to

1371
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:02,720
be

1372
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:05,760
the game plan of these uh global

1373
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,000
socialists and if you'll go back and

1374
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,319
read 1984 you find that they want to

1375
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,480
divide the world into three major

1376
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:14,079
economic blocks

1377
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:18,240
in in the book in the novel it's oceana

1378
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,680
asiana and east asiana in the world

1379
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:24,000
today we have the european union

1380
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:27,200
the soon-to-be north american union

1381
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,960
and the future asian union

1382
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,480
and then once they have these three

1383
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,559
blocks they're all operating under a

1384
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:36,160
central authority because you have to

1385
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:38,000
have a central authority to administrate

1386
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:39,760
a social program

1387
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:42,240
then they play one block off against the

1388
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,000
other continually

1389
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,800
in a state of war near war to keep up

1390
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:48,160
the tension

1391
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:51,680
and conflict that promotes

1392
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:55,520
their profits and their control

1393
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,880
so we so these same people

1394
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,720
created communism and started to get out

1395
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,200
of control they then had to create

1396
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,240
national socialism in germany to act as

1397
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:08,800
a block to the spread of international

1398
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,079
communism and

1399
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,800
why and how did these businessmen

1400
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,640
particularly with

1401
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:18,079
all the financial links to the

1402
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,880
rothschild banking dynasty

1403
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:23,280
why did they support the overtly

1404
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,800
anti-jewish hitler

1405
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:26,960
well part of the answer i think lies in

1406
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,240
a report by psychologists who produced

1407
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:32,319
based on vienna police reports and

1408
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:33,920
german police reports

1409
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:36,800
during the war a report that went to the

1410
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:37,440
old

1411
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,800
uh office of strategic services oss

1412
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,319
which was the forerunner

1413
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:44,559
of the cia and and this never saw the

1414
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:45,520
light of day

1415
00:53:53,309 --> 00:53:48,880
until he published a book um in

1416
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:53,319
i think maybe the 1990s or maybe the

1417
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:55,280
1980s perhaps

1418
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:58,800
but it shows that hitler's

1419
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:06,630
maria anna schickelgruber was working

1420
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:09,680
as a housemaid in a servant

1421
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:12,720
in the home of baron solomon rothschild

1422
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:15,520
in vienna and upon learning of her

1423
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,040
pregnancy in 1837 she left vienna

1424
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:21,280
and gave birth to hitler's father of

1425
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:22,960
record alloys

1426
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,559
uh idler but when the name was put on a

1427
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,480
birth certificate it got altered

1428
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:30,960
somewhat from heidler to hitler

1429
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:34,640
and so that was hitler's father and uh

1430
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:38,640
he then married a a uh

1431
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:41,680
another woman and uh they

1432
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:44,799
uh i think that was the shickle gruber

1433
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,799
and then they became the parents of

1434
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,000
adolf hitler

1435
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:50,720
so wait a minute it felt if all that's

1436
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,359
true then hitler was a quarter jewish

1437
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,760
and not only quarter-jewish but related

1438
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,760
to the rothschilds and perhaps that's

1439
00:55:02,390 --> 00:54:59,359
why they supported him

1440
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:02,400
early on because the rothschilds are are

1441
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:03,520
not hebrews

1442
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:07,040
they are ashkenazi jews are are also

1443
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:10,079
known as kazarian jews they come from

1444
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:12,799
uh the area of the caspian sea and the

1445
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,839
black sea

1446
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:15,839
uh the area which back in the 10th

1447
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:18,079
century was the kazarian empire

1448
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:20,799
and when it was broken up by the ruses

1449
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:21,280
they

1450
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,319
fled into europe and became the uh

1451
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:26,960
ashkenazi jews of eastern europe and of

1452
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:27,680
germany

1453
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:30,079
and most of them were prosperous and and

1454
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:31,599
pretty well versed in

1455
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:34,160
in financial matters and that was the

1456
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:35,680
progenitors of the

1457
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:39,520
rothschild dynasty and so but but they

1458
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:40,079
wanted

1459
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:42,799
by the late 1800s they had figured out

1460
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:45,200
that they needed to get a foothold in

1461
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:48,079
oil rich middle east because petroleum

1462
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:48,640
was

1463
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,079
the thing you know in fact

1464
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:54,559
it's really fascinating but john d

1465
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:55,839
rockefeller

1466
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:59,119
who of course by about 1898 had gained

1467
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:01,119
almost total control over the world's

1468
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,799
petroleum supply

1469
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:05,280
in fact in 1909 they had the supreme

1470
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:06,799
court broke it up

1471
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:10,160
said it was a monopoly but in 1998 he

1472
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,040
had sure as

1473
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,040
almost single-handed control over the

1474
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:15,200
petroleum industry of the world

1475
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,520
and it was real enlightening to find out

1476
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,119
that he got his start

1477
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:22,480
with money that was loaned to him by the

1478
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:25,760
bank of cleveland which was a registered

1479
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:28,480
rothschild bank so in other words the

1480
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,520
rothschild

1481
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,200
instead of putting one of their own

1482
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,520
people in power in america because they

1483
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,280
were already catching flack

1484
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,680
for running the economies and the

1485
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,359
central banks of europe

1486
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:42,000
they simply used the rockefeller family

1487
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:43,359
as fronts

1488
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:46,799
for their business and financial

1489
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:49,440
business in the in the united states in

1490
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,119
north america

1491
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,079
uh if anybody out there in listening

1492
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:56,240
land would like to talk to jim mars and

1493
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:57,680
ask personal questions

1494
00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:00,640
he's got answers for everything please

1495
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,549
888-919-2355 or get on the chat room and

1496
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,880
send us a question

1497
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,559
jim i've got a couple of questions here

1498
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:12,160
for you in the chat room

1499
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:15,119
i got a couple answers of course of

1500
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:15,520
course

1501
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,480
hey truthful answers cost five dollars

1502
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,480
they're higher

1503
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,400
someone says that they had heard that

1504
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:25,040
hitler fathered one of goebbels children

1505
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:28,319
do you know anything about that yes

1506
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,440
that's been alleged

1507
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:31,359
i've heard that and it's entirely

1508
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:32,640
possible

1509
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:36,559
uh magna gerbils uh his wife was just a

1510
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:39,760
hitler fanatic you know a

1511
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:42,319
hitler file and so i think it's entirely

1512
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,520
possible that she might have given

1513
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,359
herself to hitler at some point

1514
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,599
uh but the thing is i'm not sure that

1515
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,359
anybody knows that for certain and

1516
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:50,960
at this like date it's probably going to

1517
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:53,200
be now and impossible to prove anything

1518
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:54,559
like that

1519
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,280
odd uh here's another question the

1520
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,440
mountain lake city that was created in

1521
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:01,440
argentina or paraguay where

1522
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:04,160
hitler supposedly lived with ava what do

1523
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:06,319
you know about that

1524
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:09,280
well that was that uh the one that you

1525
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:10,400
yeah the one i just

1526
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:13,839
named to you is uh again it's um

1527
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:16,960
oops the uh san carlos

1528
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:20,400
de parr las valencia

1529
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:23,359
bear lucha anyway well all i can tell

1530
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:24,559
you is

1531
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,760
is that this is an area of argentina

1532
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:29,760
that had been long settled by german

1533
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,480
settlers

1534
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,240
and in fact they had an outland

1535
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:33,839
organization there that was very

1536
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:34,799
pro-nazi

1537
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,599
so i mean the the culture of that place

1538
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,960
would have been perfect

1539
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,280
for any nazis and particularly even

1540
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,040
hitler to go and hide out

1541
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:45,760
uh it was just a sleepy little place and

1542
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:46,799
but it was uh

1543
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,640
it was very isolated

1544
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,319
i don't i'm not even sure for a long

1545
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,319
time that you could reach it by car

1546
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:56,799
uh you had to go by ox cart or horseback

1547
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,839
or something like that

1548
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,920
or you had to fly in you had to fly in

1549
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,280
and land on the lake and

1550
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,480
with a pontoon plane and so

1551
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:06,480
it was uh really perfect and not only

1552
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:08,079
that but here's what i found interesting

1553
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:08,880
was

1554
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,440
beautiful and green on this little

1555
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,520
lake it was high it was mountainous and

1556
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:17,280
there were huge mountains all around

1557
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,520
and when i was reading the descript the

1558
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:21,680
descriptions of this barolocy

1559
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,079
uh and it suddenly was reminding me of

1560
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,240
uh berkshire's garden

1561
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:28,319
which i have visited and i've been to

1562
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,760
the eagle's nest and

1563
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:31,760
stood up there and you look out over

1564
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,799
austria and

1565
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,359
southern germany and uh you know it's

1566
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,599
it's uh it's an amazing place and

1567
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:39,440
and this place obviously looked like

1568
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:40,799
some of the uh

1569
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,760
countryside there in the alps uh in

1570
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:45,599
south in bavaria

1571
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:48,640
in the rolling in region yeah in the

1572
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:49,280
tyrol

1573
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:51,760
exactly and so that makes a lot of sense

1574
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:52,880
i mean you know if you

1575
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,920
if you say lived in uh old phoenix

1576
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,359
all your life and you're gonna have to

1577
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:59,119
go halfway around the world you're going

1578
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,799
to want to go to a place that's hot and

1579
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:02,400
kind of deserting it's going to remind

1580
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:03,760
you of home right

1581
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,720
yeah and it does it sounds a lot like

1582
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,480
and the pictures that i did see

1583
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,040
even the way that they built their um

1584
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:13,280
their chalets in their homes it was very

1585
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,400
terrorian

1586
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:16,319
yeah it looks good it looks like the

1587
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,599
sound of music

1588
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,760
yeah exactly and so here you are in a

1589
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,200
beautiful mountainous

1590
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,200
place it kind of looks like the tyrol

1591
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:24,880
and you've got a german-speaking

1592
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:25,839
population

1593
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,920
and you got pro-nazis i mean you know

1594
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:29,440
what else do you want

1595
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,799
and and you don't have anybody breathing

1596
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,160
down your neck like you would over in

1597
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,000
germany and austria at this point

1598
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:36,880
that's right yeah um here's another

1599
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:37,520
question

1600
01:00:41,829 --> 01:00:41,119
um can you and i understand according to

1601
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:41,839
the uh

1602
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:44,720
to the gray wolf boat that uh eichmann

1603
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,599
adolf hikeman

1604
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,839
actually was there for a while but he

1605
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,680
apparently pined for the city life he

1606
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:51,119
wanted a little more action

1607
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,440
and so he moved to buenos aires and of

1608
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:55,359
course he got caught by the

1609
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:59,599
israelis oh that's right that's right

1610
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:02,160
did did you ever say at what point uh

1611
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:04,559
hitler supposedly died in argentina did

1612
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:06,079
you say that earlier i don't think you

1613
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:06,319
did

1614
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:08,000
and i don't think we've said that uh

1615
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:09,359
according to this book

1616
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:12,640
he died in 1972.

1617
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:14,960
like i said those last years from about

1618
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:17,280
the last 10 years or so say from 62 to

1619
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:18,319
72.

1620
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:20,799
uh it wasn't much of a life yeah he was

1621
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:21,520
just kind of

1622
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:24,640
vegging out there yeah that's pretty i'm

1623
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:26,079
not going to feel sorry

1624
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:29,040
and no and mormon bowman was running the

1625
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:29,440
show

1626
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:33,119
along with uh uh mueller and then

1627
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,799
and i'm sure there were younger people

1628
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:36,640
coming along who were taking over some

1629
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:37,280
of the

1630
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,559
uh operational duties uh for the nazi

1631
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,599
international

1632
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,680
and they've probably totally taken over

1633
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:45,599
now uh you know so

1634
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:48,480
i'm pretty sure all the old original uh

1635
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:49,760
hardcore nazis there

1636
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:52,240
they're either out to pasture or dead by

1637
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,960
now

1638
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:54,799
yeah but i'm sure that their ideas are

1639
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,039
still kicking still going

1640
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:59,280
um well all you have to do is look and

1641
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:00,559
read the uh

1642
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:05,039
the the platform of the nazi 25

1643
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:07,200
step plans and you find that they're

1644
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:08,720
almost exact

1645
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:12,400
uh duplicate of the illuminati 25 plank

1646
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:14,799
platform and of the communist

1647
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:18,079
uh it's uh

1648
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:19,599
uh in fact i'll just look that up

1649
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,880
because it's something we need to be

1650
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:23,119
aware of because it's all happening

1651
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:26,079
uh right here you i wanna i wanna call

1652
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:27,520
to everybody's attention that you have

1653
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:29,760
two other books besides this one the

1654
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:33,440
uh the fourth reich uh you have one

1655
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:35,440
called our occulted history which is

1656
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:37,119
your newest your latest

1657
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:40,400
book where you have a an amalgam of

1658
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:43,039
all kinds of things uh some of it

1659
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,720
relates to what we're talking about

1660
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:46,480
tonight and the rothschilds and the

1661
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,520
illuminati

1662
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:49,680
and then you mention another one uh the

1663
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:52,880
time i forget the title about secrecy

1664
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:55,440
ruled by secrecy rule by secrecy right

1665
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:58,160
that traces the secret societies

1666
01:03:03,069 --> 01:03:01,280
from antiquity all the way up till today

1667
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:03,079
uh listeners ought to really check out

1668
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:04,319
amazon.com

1669
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:07,839
or or barnes noble or go to jim's own

1670
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:09,039
website

1671
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:12,720
at jim mars j-i-m-m-a-r-r-s

1672
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:16,160
dot com where you can also get his books

1673
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,520
uh it's it's a complete uh probably

1674
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:21,200
at least through a master's level

1675
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:23,039
graduate degree in history if you'll

1676
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:24,799
read all of his books

1677
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,160
here here are uh some of the 10 steps

1678
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:30,799
to create an ideal state as offered by

1679
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:33,520
karl marx and his communist manifesto

1680
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,680
and it's gonna it sounds incredibly

1681
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:37,200
similar to the agenda

1682
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:39,280
of the bavarian illuminati and then

1683
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:41,039
later the nazi party

1684
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:43,039
uh and if you something think about it a

1685
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:45,440
lot of it's happening to us right now

1686
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:47,839
abolition the private property a

1687
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:49,760
progressive or graduated income

1688
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,480
tax abolition of all inheritance they're

1689
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:54,480
trying to do away the inheritance

1690
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:57,520
taxes okay confiscation of property of

1691
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:59,119
dissidents and immigrants

1692
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:00,880
okay this is already happening except

1693
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:02,960
now it's not just distance immigrants

1694
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:03,359
it's

1695
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:05,280
if they catch you with a joint they take

1696
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:07,200
your house and your boat and your cars

1697
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:08,240
right

1698
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:10,880
creation of a monopolistic central bank

1699
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:13,039
well can you spell federal reserve

1700
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:13,520
system

1701
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:16,240
there it is centralize all communication

1702
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:17,440
and transportation

1703
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:19,760
and it's that's happening uh central

1704
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:21,520
control over all the factories and farm

1705
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:22,319
production

1706
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,880
that's happening okay today if your kids

1707
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:26,240
try to set up a

1708
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:28,880
lemonade stand as city officials be all

1709
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:32,000
over them demanding a license and

1710
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,480
health study and everything else central

1711
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:36,799
ownership of capital with a deployable

1712
01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:37,599
workforce

1713
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:39,680
hey that sounds like us doesn't it few

1714
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,359
corporations run everything in the

1715
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:42,880
deployable workforce

1716
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,680
is flipping burgers blur the distinction

1717
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:47,760
blur the distinction between the rural

1718
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:49,280
country and the cities

1719
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,280
well it's not being blurred today it's

1720
01:04:55,829 --> 01:04:53,200
being eliminated you need a big

1721
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:55,839
agriculture with huge corporate farms

1722
01:05:00,789 --> 01:04:57,680
are you moving back to the city

1723
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,799
man the the little gentleman farmer is

1724
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:02,480
just about being wiped out

1725
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:05,200
and last but not least free public

1726
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:06,240
education

1727
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:09,039
for all children and there you go and

1728
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,559
that's when you catch them at an early

1729
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:11,760
age

1730
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:14,079
and you condition them to be good little

1731
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:15,200
socialists

1732
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:16,559
yeah i think that's also called

1733
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:18,799
programming exactly

1734
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:22,400
yeah golly so see it's uh it's all

1735
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,960
happening

1736
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:25,039
and we're we're just we're the frog in

1737
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:26,400
the pot and the pots

1738
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:27,920
starting to boil and we're still just

1739
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:30,160
sitting there yeah it's kind of hard to

1740
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:31,200
tell whether you're

1741
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:33,359
in the in the pot or the kettle at this

1742
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:34,960
point but neither one of them are very

1743
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:36,000
comfortable

1744
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:38,240
nope um we've got someone in the chat

1745
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:39,680
room who wants to know

1746
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,480
if you have any idea where the daughters

1747
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,240
of hitler might have wound up

1748
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:46,880
we had talked earlier you said that ava

1749
01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:48,160
supposedly left him

1750
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,240
and took at least one of them with her

1751
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:52,400
do you know anything else that

1752
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:54,079
other than the fact that we don't think

1753
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:56,559
that any of them are angela merkel

1754
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:58,559
at this point do you know where they

1755
01:06:00,710 --> 01:06:00,160
might have hopefully we put that one to

1756
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:00,720
rest

1757
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:03,520
no actually i really don't i'll admit

1758
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:04,000
some of this

1759
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:05,760
information about the two daughters is

1760
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:07,280
fairly recent um

1761
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:09,760
or at least to me it's kind of new to me

1762
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:10,400
and

1763
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:12,000
i have not had the opportunity to really

1764
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:14,079
track all that down and in fact it i

1765
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:15,440
would think it's going to be very

1766
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:16,799
difficult

1767
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:19,359
to do that i'm sure there's somebody

1768
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:21,760
within the cia or the state department

1769
01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:23,280
it's got a little secret file hidden

1770
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:25,119
away somewhere that might have some of

1771
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:26,880
that knowledge but as far as

1772
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:29,680
as knowledge in the public i would doubt

1773
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:30,880
very seriously if that's

1774
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:33,280
out there i also would suspect since

1775
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:34,640
they both

1776
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:38,160
were were either born or or initially

1777
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:41,200
were in uh argentina or south america

1778
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:42,400
somewhere that they might

1779
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:46,559
have remained there ah

1780
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:50,400
okay because you usually

1781
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:53,359
stay where you were born and reared well

1782
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:54,240
but

1783
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,839
unless you're unless your parents are in

1784
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:57,599
the military i mean you travel around a

1785
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,319
lot

1786
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:00,799
right right or or unless you were hoping

1787
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:02,480
to become president of the united states

1788
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:03,359
one day

1789
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:06,319
yeah um you had said one of them was

1790
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:08,240
born in 1938

1791
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:10,240
and that would have put them probably

1792
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:12,079
over in germany that one

1793
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,520
that one daughter if that was an

1794
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:16,319
accurate uh i mean you'd never know

1795
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,400
right i would have apparently was born

1796
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,160
in 1945

1797
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,559
mid to late 45 which means she was

1798
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:24,480
probably in transit

1799
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:28,079
move moving from from

1800
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:31,760
germany to argentina yeah because i

1801
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:33,760
don't think they arrived in argentina

1802
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:34,559
until

1803
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:37,520
maybe even i need to go back check but

1804
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:38,720
seems like there was

1805
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:40,480
considerable months maybe even a few

1806
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:43,039
years before they arrived in argentina

1807
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:44,720
it didn't happen overnight

1808
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:46,960
no and do do you think that they did go

1809
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:47,760
by u-boat

1810
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:49,440
i had seen that in a couple of different

1811
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:52,400
places yes i think so it might explain

1812
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:53,359
the three

1813
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:57,359
giant u-boat that

1814
01:08:01,349 --> 01:08:00,720
turned themselves over the allies just a

1815
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,359
few

1816
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:03,359
weeks after the war ended in south

1817
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:05,200
america and

1818
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,960
they were in south america when the war

1819
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:08,720
ended and they

1820
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:12,160
had room for all kinds of uh passengers

1821
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:12,559
and

1822
01:08:22,829 --> 01:08:21,120
didn't know or wouldn't talk about who

1823
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:22,839
they had carried

1824
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:26,400
interesting um we were talking

1825
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:28,960
earlier a little bit about religion um

1826
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:32,000
and the the catholics in the vatican

1827
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:35,279
um hitler was really into the occult

1828
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:38,000
and i know that there is uh i don't know

1829
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:40,000
a whole lot about the vril and the

1830
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:43,040
is it the thule the another shaft

1831
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:46,239
yes very much the occult

1832
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:50,159
right right um yeah in fact you know

1833
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:53,120
according to his biographer john tolen

1834
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:54,960
in his book adolf hitler

1835
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:57,520
uh in a poem the hitler wrote during

1836
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,319
world war one in 1915

1837
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:02,319
here's what he wrote he says i often go

1838
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:04,880
on bitter nights to wotons oak and the

1839
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,159
quad clade

1840
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:08,960
with dark powers to weave a union the

1841
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:10,960
runic letter the moon makes with its

1842
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:13,040
magic spell and all who are full of

1843
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:14,560
infinites during the day

1844
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:17,920
are made small by the magic formula

1845
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,799
sounds pretty occult to me this sounds

1846
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:22,080
kind of creepy

1847
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,799
it kind of is in fact you know there's

1848
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,960
it's uh there is a creepy aspect of the

1849
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,719
whole thing over and above the fact that

1850
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:30,480
so many people died and we had a world

1851
01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:31,199
war

1852
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:34,159
and um there was one of and there's been

1853
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:36,159
several people who say that

1854
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,640
when hitler made a talk early on uh he

1855
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,960
would show up usually late to build up

1856
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,239
excitement and

1857
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:44,400
tension and then he would come out he

1858
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:46,960
was just a small demented little guy

1859
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:50,000
and and kind of quiet he'd walk out and

1860
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:51,199
they almost acted

1861
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:53,759
if he was bashful and shy and then he

1862
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,520
would start to speak in a

1863
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:57,520
kind of a low tone and then it was

1864
01:10:03,350 --> 01:09:59,520
almost as though

1865
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:03,360
just became a separate person

1866
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:05,840
and he would then launch into it and he

1867
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,400
would use

1868
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:08,880
phrases and words and he would he would

1869
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:11,280
begin to get louder louder and shout

1870
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:13,760
and get real impassioned you know uh to

1871
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,960
the point of where

1872
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,560
he would take an audience that were kind

1873
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,320
of so-so when he arrived

1874
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:20,640
and by the time he was at the height of

1875
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:22,400
his oratory that they're screaming

1876
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:23,920
hollering jumping up and jumping up and

1877
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,719
down

1878
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:26,960
he there obviously was some some some

1879
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:27,840
real power

1880
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:29,600
there and i and i guess what i'm trying

1881
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:32,000
to say is it it almost acts seems like

1882
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:33,040
it that it was not

1883
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:37,280
totally his yeah i i see your point and

1884
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:38,480
yet on the other hand

1885
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:41,920
um i i saw in a a

1886
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:44,080
little blurb about you on wikipedia that

1887
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:45,679
you were raised in a very strict

1888
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:46,800
southern baptist

1889
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:50,400
home as i was and uh we're both

1890
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:52,400
recovering from that probably still

1891
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:53,440
today right

1892
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:56,320
uh you and i both know that uh the devil

1893
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:57,520
made him do it

1894
01:11:01,669 --> 01:11:00,480
well you know that that that kind of

1895
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:01,679
fervor

1896
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:05,920
can be used as a almost a hypnotic

1897
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:06,800
device

1898
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:09,679
in oratory yeah and i i think that there

1899
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:11,760
are a lot of evangelical

1900
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:14,480
ministers that have developed that to an

1901
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:15,199
art form

1902
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:17,840
and i that when i see him speaking in

1903
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:19,360
the old black and white

1904
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:22,480
uh reels of film i'm looking at him and

1905
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:25,280
thinking it's just like a tent revival

1906
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,880
yeah exactly exactly and just like you

1907
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:30,800
you know the the old-time evangelists

1908
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:31,760
could get though

1909
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:33,440
that whole tent full of people on their

1910
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,080
feet stomping and shouting and you know

1911
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:38,719
so did hitler yeah you've see you've

1912
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:40,000
seen the news reels you know

1913
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:47,669
see yeah i mean there they all

1914
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:52,080
are and uh never underestimate the power

1915
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:55,360
of uh the collective consciousness oh

1916
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:56,080
yes

1917
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:57,840
when you get a group of people together

1918
01:12:01,110 --> 01:12:00,000
you know unfortunately we are animals

1919
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,120
and sometimes

1920
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:03,120
we act just like panicked animals you

1921
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,960
know if everybody's running for an exit

1922
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:06,960
everybody will run for the exit

1923
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:09,600
yeah well i mean with uh what we're just

1924
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:10,960
starting to understand about

1925
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:13,040
electromagnetic fields and if each one

1926
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,960
of us has an electromagnetic field and

1927
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:16,880
we're all in a big group of people and

1928
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:18,640
our electromagnetic fields are getting

1929
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:20,800
whipped up by something like that

1930
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,280
who knows how much of that is is

1931
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:26,000
completely electrical that's happening

1932
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:28,159
well they can prove this scientifically

1933
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:30,800
it's called brain wave entrainment

1934
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:32,960
and uh what you do is you get a tuning

1935
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:34,640
fork and then you get a

1936
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:37,760
another tuning fork and you

1937
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,400
you tap one and it starts vibrating at a

1938
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:42,159
certain frequency you say

1939
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,430
and then you simply hold the other one

1940
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,440
up next to it

1941
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:51,040
don't you don't hit it you don't tap it

1942
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:52,719
you just hold it up next to it before

1943
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:56,320
long it's vibrating it hey

1944
01:13:03,189 --> 01:12:59,600
so our electrical our uh

1945
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:03,199
electro magnetic fields that surround

1946
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:05,360
our body and activate us and probably

1947
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:05,600
are

1948
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:08,960
actually the real us i mean we're energy

1949
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:11,840
beings inhabiting these meat sacks

1950
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:14,080
okay and so this energy being is

1951
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:14,960
vibrating

1952
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:17,199
at a certain frequency and so when you

1953
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:19,120
get up next to another

1954
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:22,000
energy being it it by brainwave

1955
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:24,159
entrainment it'll start vibrating at the

1956
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,280
same frequency

1957
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:27,600
that's why i'm sure everybody's had the

1958
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,640
experience that

1959
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:30,640
maybe say you're just kind of okay and

1960
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:32,480
you go to a party and it's a real

1961
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,400
frenetic party and everybody's

1962
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:36,159
jumping and dancing and laughing and

1963
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:37,679
screaming and hollering and going wild

1964
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:39,360
and pretty soon you are too

1965
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:41,840
or you go to one and it's real quiet and

1966
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:43,360
dull and everybody's kind of sitting

1967
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:44,080
around and

1968
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:45,600
you're ready to party but it ain't

1969
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:47,280
happening so pretty soon you're sitting

1970
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:48,000
there

1971
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:49,600
you know you're doing the same thing

1972
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:52,159
because we we latch on to the other

1973
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:53,040
frequencies

1974
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,280
and we tend to vibrate and go along with

1975
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:57,840
the frequencies that surround us

1976
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:01,520
well you yourself have written about um

1977
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:05,440
some of the uh pre-end of world war ii

1978
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:07,520
technology that that the german they

1979
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,880
were they were like

1980
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,480
i'm not going to say addicted but they

1981
01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:12,000
were just seduced by

1982
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,560
all of the occult information the

1983
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:16,560
sumerian the babylonian the ancient

1984
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:17,440
egyptian

1985
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:19,440
and there's a lot of that that has to do

1986
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:21,840
with sonic manipulation and energy

1987
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:24,320
vibration yeah and i think in fact they

1988
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:25,280
picked up

1989
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:28,000
a lot of their uh their information

1990
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:29,360
their technology

1991
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:32,239
from non-human sources and uh but here's

1992
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:33,120
what's interesting

1993
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,640
you know for years i've heard stories

1994
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,960
about well they captured a flying saucer

1995
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:38,880
in north africa now they captured a

1996
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:40,080
flying saucer in

1997
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:42,000
poland and i kept trying to track these

1998
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:43,360
stories and none of them ever really

1999
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:44,800
seemed to pan out

2000
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:47,440
and i am now the opinion that they begin

2001
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:48,880
to make contact

2002
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:52,080
with uh non-humans as far back as

2003
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:54,640
about the time of world war one 1915

2004
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:56,719
1918 somewhere in there

2005
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:59,040
through the german metaphysical

2006
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:00,159
societies

2007
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:03,360
okay this the real society the

2008
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:06,800
dual gazelle shock okay and

2009
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:08,960
the way they did it was psychically it's

2010
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:11,120
like we use remote viewing

2011
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:12,960
well they were doing remote viewing and

2012
01:15:17,189 --> 01:15:15,679
they came into contact with non-human

2013
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:17,199
intelligences

2014
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:20,480
and uh by having what we would have

2015
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:20,960
called

2016
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:24,400
in seances and what's really fascinating

2017
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:25,040
is

2018
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:30,159
we went in and we grabbed all their

2019
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,159
rocket scientists and we got all their

2020
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:34,480
chemical warfare experts and mind

2021
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:36,000
control experts

2022
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:39,040
but when it came to psychic matters

2023
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:40,960
none of our people believed that so we

2024
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,080
kind of let it go

2025
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:44,239
but the russians they went in and

2026
01:15:48,430 --> 01:15:45,920
grabbed their psychics

2027
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:48,440
and uh that's what led to psychic

2028
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:50,000
experimentation

2029
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,000
behind the iron curtain which then in

2030
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:54,560
turn when we found out about all this

2031
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:57,040
we in turn had to start experimenting

2032
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,120
and developing remote viewing

2033
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:01,920
the psychic phenomena that our military

2034
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:03,120
has used

2035
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:06,560
uh and what i've now find out is that

2036
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:07,520
the nazis

2037
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:10,640
this was all under a a metaphysical

2038
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:11,920
program called

2039
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:15,600
magic m-a-j-i-k now this is really

2040
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:17,280
fascinating to me because

2041
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:20,880
if you know your ufo literature

2042
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:24,640
and then you know that early on

2043
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:28,080
the uh the group that was put in charge

2044
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:29,679
of the ufo issue

2045
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:34,159
was known as magic 12 in a gic and

2046
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:36,080
later i think in an effort to confuse

2047
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:38,560
the public they said no no it's majestic

2048
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:40,560
12. they might have actually changed

2049
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,239
their name just to try to

2050
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:44,159
keep everything hidden but originally it

2051
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:46,159
was magic and i think it may have been a

2052
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:47,360
continuation

2053
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:50,560
of the nazi magic metaphysical program

2054
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:53,199
and you have um yeah it's interesting i

2055
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:55,520
don't i guess you weren't listening to

2056
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:57,440
jerry pippen that was on just before we

2057
01:17:02,390 --> 01:16:59,760
started but he they were actually

2058
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:02,400
his guest was actually plugging the book

2059
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:03,840
that you wrote

2060
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,280
uh in the 90s and it you had it at the

2061
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:09,360
publisher and they refused to publish it

2062
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:10,719
at the last minute

2063
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:14,239
uh about psychic about remote viewing

2064
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:27,350
with the success of my jfk assassination

2065
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:28,560
book crossfire

2066
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:30,640
i as i travel around the country and ask

2067
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:32,080
everybody what do you think is the next

2068
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:33,040
big deep dark

2069
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,600
secret government cover-up and almost

2070
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:37,199
without exception

2071
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:39,520
almost unanimously people said we want

2072
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:42,080
to know what's the truth about ufos

2073
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:43,760
so i said you know i've always been

2074
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:45,360
interested in ufos i kind of want to

2075
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:46,480
know that too

2076
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:50,239
so i began to start heavily researching

2077
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:53,199
ufos and i began to get back into the

2078
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:54,800
ufo research community

2079
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:58,000
and as a result i became aware of remote

2080
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,360
viewing and i just went wow i said now

2081
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:03,360
here's a real story i got sidetracked

2082
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:04,320
because i said

2083
01:18:08,149 --> 01:18:07,120
i thought you know remote viewing this

2084
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:08,159
psychic

2085
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,679
on our enemies you know and see things

2086
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:15,840
through time and space and i'm going

2087
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,760
you know what a story this is i said

2088
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:19,679
because look it's either true or it's

2089
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:20,560
not true

2090
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,840
of a story because look at this waste of

2091
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:25,280
taxpayer money

2092
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:27,679
and if it is true wow then this is a

2093
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:29,920
giant leap for mankind you know

2094
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:33,120
so i stopped and to dig into the uh

2095
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,960
the psychic remote viewing of the

2096
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:36,320
military uh

2097
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:38,719
they got got three of these remote

2098
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:40,320
viewers who are willing to put their

2099
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:41,840
name on the line even though they had

2100
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,600
all signed secrecy oath

2101
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:45,199
even though this program was still a

2102
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:47,600
very classified program at that time

2103
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:51,040
this was in the early 90s and uh

2104
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:52,960
and so i started researching and found

2105
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:55,280
out all about their experimentation

2106
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:58,400
uh at stanford research institute and at

2107
01:19:01,990 --> 01:19:00,000
the monroe institute and all the

2108
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:02,000
scientific study that had gone into it

2109
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:02,480
and

2110
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:06,159
to interview some of the people involved

2111
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:07,440
in the unit and some of them wouldn't

2112
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:08,320
talk to me at all

2113
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,320
some would only talk very hesitantly but

2114
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:12,000
didn't want their names used

2115
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:13,920
very few since it was a classified

2116
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:15,600
program but most of them didn't want to

2117
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:16,640
talk about it and

2118
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,440
so i was so enthusiastic i said man look

2119
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:21,120
we've got this great story in it

2120
01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:23,040
it's very real and it's all happening

2121
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:24,640
and they're using taxpayer money and

2122
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:26,480
they got this whole unit in the united

2123
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:27,360
states

2124
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:30,239
uh army's uh intelligence security

2125
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:31,280
command

2126
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,800
you know i said this is gonna be great

2127
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:34,800
and it got to win it got to to the

2128
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:35,760
publisher

2129
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:38,960
they even had advanced orders and uh

2130
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:41,600
all of a sudden they just said nope boom

2131
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,560
slam

2132
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:44,719
said not can't publish this and could

2133
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:46,320
never give me any real reasonable

2134
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:47,600
explanation

2135
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:49,760
and to prove that it was nothing more

2136
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:51,360
than just censorship

2137
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:53,840
uh you know that if you try to publish a

2138
01:19:57,430 --> 01:19:54,719
book

2139
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:57,440
and uh the publisher gives you uh

2140
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:58,880
advanced payment

2141
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:01,600
of some sort and then it turns out that

2142
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:02,800
for whatever reason

2143
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:04,480
you cannot publish that book either

2144
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,159
because of a legal problem

2145
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:08,000
or because something turns out to be not

2146
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:09,520
true or whatever

2147
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:13,199
you have to pay back the advance right

2148
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:15,600
yeah well they paid me the rest of the

2149
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:16,239
money he said

2150
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,600
you know here's the money take it go

2151
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:19,280
away you know

2152
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:21,280
they kind of like hush money almost hush

2153
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:22,800
money yeah you know

2154
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:24,639
and then if you'll follow the the

2155
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:26,400
chronology which i wasn't aware of at

2156
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:27,440
the time

2157
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:29,440
that this was about i was about to break

2158
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:31,199
open this classified program it was

2159
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:32,239
going to come out in the

2160
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:35,280
summer of 1995 and it was still a

2161
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:37,120
classified program nobody knew about it

2162
01:20:40,149 --> 01:20:38,560
that's why i was so excited this is

2163
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:40,159
going to be a big scoop

2164
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:42,960
and uh but then they canceled the book

2165
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:44,960
and then within two weeks they had

2166
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:48,000
the cia had ordered up a study of remote

2167
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:48,719
viewing but

2168
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:52,000
heavily loaded with a a skeptic and a

2169
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:53,040
debunker who

2170
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:55,280
needs us to say you know came out with a

2171
01:20:58,830 --> 01:20:56,719
report that says oh well

2172
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:58,840
there's really nothing going on here

2173
01:21:02,229 --> 01:21:00,719
unsurprisingly and that went on for a

2174
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:02,239
few months and then that's like two or

2175
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:03,520
three months later they came out with

2176
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:04,400
this report

2177
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:06,560
and they actually issued a press release

2178
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:07,840
the cia saying

2179
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:10,000
okay here's what we've been doing uh

2180
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:11,600
we've been doing this remote viewing and

2181
01:21:15,669 --> 01:21:12,560
studying it

2182
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:15,679
and uh we we don't think it's all that

2183
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:17,280
good and we don't think it's very real

2184
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:17,600
and

2185
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,000
we just thought we'd let you know uh

2186
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:22,800
come on when's the cia ever voluntarily

2187
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:25,120
uh broken open one of their classified

2188
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:26,560
projects you know never

2189
01:21:30,629 --> 01:21:28,800
never so so they just i think they got

2190
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:30,639
upset that i was gonna break the story

2191
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:31,679
and make it seem too

2192
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:34,719
real because what i did was uh

2193
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:36,800
lay the groundwork and show the history

2194
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:38,719
show the experimentation showed how they

2195
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:39,920
formed the unit

2196
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:41,920
uh you can still find all this my book

2197
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:43,520
cite spies psi

2198
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:46,159
spies uh the true story of america's

2199
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:47,840
psychic warfare program

2200
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:50,400
um because years later it was finally

2201
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:51,600
published

2202
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:54,560
but at this time they they didn't didn't

2203
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:55,679
want it because

2204
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:56,800
at the end of the book after

2205
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:58,960
establishing the validity of the remote

2206
01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,159
viewing experience

2207
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:01,920
i brought in the fact that they had all

2208
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:04,000
seen ufos and that they're very real and

2209
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:04,800
that they're not

2210
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:07,199
us and they didn't want that out in a

2211
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:08,560
credible manner

2212
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:11,199
wow so many secrets i was gonna i'm glad

2213
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,560
that you mentioned the title because i

2214
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:14,960
had it pulled up here on amazon.com

2215
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:17,679
you really need to go to amazon.com or

2216
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:18,880
to jim mars's

2217
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:24,800
um website jim mars j-i-m-m-a-r-r-s dot

2218
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:26,960
and check out his titles look at the

2219
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:27,840
book titles

2220
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:29,840
uh they're available i think probably

2221
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:31,280
every one of them is available as a

2222
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:32,080
kindle

2223
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:33,760
or an e-book and they're available in

2224
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:36,000
hard copy i think so

2225
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:37,920
except the thing that bothers me i think

2226
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:39,360
they're all available as

2227
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:43,199
as on a kindle electronic except

2228
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:46,639
for alien agenda my book on ufos

2229
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:49,920
which interestingly enough i'm told

2230
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:53,120
is the top top-selling non-fiction book

2231
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:55,040
on ufos in the world

2232
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:57,760
yes i saw that translated into a dozen

2233
01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:59,440
languages and everything so it

2234
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:01,600
kind of surprises me that the the one

2235
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:03,920
that's a worldwide bestseller is the one

2236
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:05,040
they don't have on

2237
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,520
on electronics obviously it's just more

2238
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:09,600
of the cover-up

2239
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:11,920
who knows i'm not going to say that but

2240
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:12,719
you said that

2241
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,600
i mean but you you really do need to

2242
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:17,280
check out these titles

2243
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:19,440
we're getting close to running out of

2244
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:22,000
time jim we've still got some time left

2245
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:23,760
another question here in the chat room

2246
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:25,520
what do you think about the bohemian

2247
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:27,520
grove

2248
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:29,120
oh well you know it depends on who you

2249
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:30,719
want to listen to but isn't it

2250
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:32,159
interesting that these

2251
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:33,920
good old boys have to get together and

2252
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:36,400
go out worship the owl and dance around

2253
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:38,400
play like they're sacrificing a virgin

2254
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:40,000
and they say oh well we're just playing

2255
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,360
around you know

2256
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:43,440
well i love to i like to go out and play

2257
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:44,960
around too but i don't act like i'm

2258
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:46,800
sacrificing a virgin

2259
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:48,639
i think there's probably something there

2260
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:51,040
that my friend alex jones as you know

2261
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:53,520
infiltrated there one time and got some

2262
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:56,400
pretty uh interesting stuff and again

2263
01:24:02,149 --> 01:23:58,800
it's the fact that it's always these

2264
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:02,159
top guys okay uh top leadership people

2265
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:03,760
they're very heavily involved with the

2266
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,679
trilateral commission or the council on

2267
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,199
foreign relations or the

2268
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:08,719
you know the big banks the big

2269
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:10,960
corporations you know if this this is

2270
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:12,560
not just your local

2271
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:26,070
oh yeah the the log international

2272
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:27,360
society of log

2273
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:29,199
something rather yeah the log or

2274
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:30,880
something like that you know these these

2275
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:31,199
uh

2276
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:33,440
service organizations it's not that now

2277
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:34,800
these guys are all

2278
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:39,040
heavy into stuff and uh yeah yeah

2279
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:40,480
they want and the thing is you just

2280
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:42,400
can't go and find out you know

2281
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:45,440
it seems like a very extremely

2282
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:48,719
strange pastime very very odd

2283
01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:51,199
yeah you know they say well we're just

2284
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:52,639
blowing off steam and kind of getting

2285
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:53,360
together

2286
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:55,280
but here's the thing hey pretty let's

2287
01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:56,960
put it let's uh

2288
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:00,080
let's do it this way what if the owners

2289
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:03,360
of all of the national football teams

2290
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:06,480
uh met in a big old hotel uh

2291
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:08,560
secluded way off somewhere with heavy

2292
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:09,679
security

2293
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:12,080
uh wouldn't let anybody in wouldn't tell

2294
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:13,679
anybody exactly what it was they're

2295
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,400
talking about

2296
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:17,360
wouldn't the media go nuts and more

2297
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:18,639
funny clothes and

2298
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:20,800
yeah wouldn't they scream restraint of

2299
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:22,239
trade collusion

2300
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:25,600
you know yeah uh you know that's not

2301
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:27,120
right you got to tell us what you're

2302
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:28,239
talking about but

2303
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,239
here's the captain of captains of

2304
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,560
industry and nobody ever holds their

2305
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:34,239
feet to the fire

2306
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:37,120
yeah it's like they they they're kind of

2307
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:37,920
above that

2308
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:42,080
level of uh well a lot of them

2309
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:43,840
yeah well that's true or they own the

2310
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:46,239
media yeah and it's like the old land

2311
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:47,679
that says freedom of the press

2312
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:49,679
belongs to the guy that owns the press

2313
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:51,440
yup like the

2314
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:53,520
the the way that history turns out it

2315
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:54,960
belongs to the guy who wrote the book

2316
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:56,320
and had it published

2317
01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:59,120
that's right that's exactly right and

2318
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:00,320
that's why

2319
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:03,120
you know what what might be a fun thing

2320
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:03,600
for

2321
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:05,600
some of your listeners sometimes sitting

2322
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:06,880
around if they're really interested in

2323
01:26:09,669 --> 01:26:07,360
this

2324
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:09,679
hitler angle sit around and figure out

2325
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,600
how what things what stories we'd be

2326
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:13,199
seeing and what the history books would

2327
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:13,920
look like

2328
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:16,239
if the nazis had won you know it'd all

2329
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,120
be turned around

2330
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:19,920
it would be franklin roosevelt that evil

2331
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:20,880
dictator

2332
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:24,719
that that pro pro communist and

2333
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:27,040
you know who was uh who was leading the

2334
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:28,719
west to rack and ruin

2335
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:31,199
you know i mean you just probably get

2336
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:33,280
the same stuff but it would be reversed

2337
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,400
because uh the the victors write

2338
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:38,480
history i think that would be an

2339
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:41,280
interesting screenplay jim

2340
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:46,550
trying all right i'd love to but it was

2341
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:48,320
you could never get it past the bean

2342
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,480
counters in hollywood

2343
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:52,320
if you can't show them by computer that

2344
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:54,239
hey this is this will make at least as

2345
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:55,280
much money

2346
01:27:01,110 --> 01:26:58,800
as the amityville horror 14

2347
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:01,120
then they don't want to consider it they

2348
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:03,520
just rarely ever go for anything that

2349
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:05,520
really breaks the mold and gets out of

2350
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:06,239
the

2351
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:10,000
conventional rut yeah well before i

2352
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:12,320
uh i run down the roster what's coming

2353
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:14,400
up here on epic voyages radio

2354
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:18,000
and the meeting coming up in september

2355
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:19,920
what are you up to in the next three or

2356
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:21,920
four months jim

2357
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:25,520
well uh on august the 29th that's a

2358
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:26,560
thursday night

2359
01:27:32,229 --> 01:27:29,920
uh i'm going to be presenting a program

2360
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:32,239
along with michael tellinger

2361
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:35,440
who i would hope that your audience had

2362
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:37,120
become familiar with he's from a

2363
01:27:41,830 --> 01:27:39,360
researcher from south africa

2364
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:41,840
and he is he and some of his scientists

2365
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:43,440
friends have discovered

2366
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:46,960
the stone circles uh representing

2367
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:49,199
well there's millions of them over in

2368
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:50,080
south africa

2369
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:52,960
and they these date back over 200 000

2370
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:53,840
years

2371
01:27:59,590 --> 01:27:57,040
and uh in fact he he believes he might

2372
01:28:02,629 --> 01:27:59,600
have located the african laboratory

2373
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:02,639
of the anunnaki god hinky

2374
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:04,400
that is mentioned in the samarian

2375
01:28:09,030 --> 01:28:05,920
tablets and who

2376
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:09,040
by the accounts had a laboratory in

2377
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:13,280
africa and he's found lots of amazing

2378
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:14,400
stuff over there

2379
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:17,600
so we're going to be presenting some

2380
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:19,280
material on that

2381
01:28:22,629 --> 01:28:22,080
just that one night at the cathedral of

2382
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:22,639
light

2383
01:28:26,070 --> 01:28:24,880
over in farmer's branch outside of

2384
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:26,080
dallas

2385
01:28:30,149 --> 01:28:29,280
and that's about it until for me until

2386
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:30,159
uh

2387
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:32,080
end of november when i'll be in dallas

2388
01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:34,239
for the 50th anniversary of the kennedy

2389
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:35,440
assassination

2390
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:37,360
and of course the city is working hard

2391
01:28:41,189 --> 01:28:39,120
to keep anybody

2392
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:41,199
who would say anything other than oswald

2393
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:43,120
did it all by himself

2394
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:45,360
out of davie plaza which is just really

2395
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:47,040
irking me because

2396
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,880
we've tried to get permits there for

2397
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:50,400
years and they wouldn't they said no you

2398
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:51,679
don't need a permit you can't get a

2399
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:52,480
permit

2400
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:53,920
and then this year on the 50th

2401
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:55,600
anniversary when they know

2402
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:57,600
full well that they'll be media from all

2403
01:29:00,550 --> 01:28:59,040
over the world they're in dallas

2404
01:29:02,550 --> 01:29:00,560
all of a sudden they've grabbed it and

2405
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:02,560
said oh there's they've they've reserved

2406
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:04,320
the dignity plaza for that whole week

2407
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:05,360
and nobody can go

2408
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:08,320
in you know come on hey i have a

2409
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:10,960
solution i have a solution for you jim

2410
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:13,520
dig out that uh gorilla suit that you

2411
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:14,080
used

2412
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:18,159
on slapping theater and and go incognito

2413
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:20,880
there we go here we go know what i like

2414
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:22,560
to see happen is supposedly they're

2415
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:23,360
going to let

2416
01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:25,840
5 000 people in but only after each one

2417
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:27,679
of them have been vetted by the dallas

2418
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:29,040
police department

2419
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:31,440
so in other words anybody who might have

2420
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:33,440
written a book or made a talk or

2421
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:35,920
has said anything that hence that

2422
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:38,000
conspiracy in the kennedy assassination

2423
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:40,960
and they probably won't be allowed okay

2424
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:42,880
so they've got 5 000 people that they're

2425
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:45,520
going to let in well i'd like to see 25

2426
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:46,719
000 people

2427
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:48,800
show up and surround the park and just

2428
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:49,920
go hey

2429
01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:52,960
you know here's here's the truth yeah

2430
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:54,639
i'm afraid they've probably already got

2431
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:56,400
your picture on some leaflets that

2432
01:30:00,870 --> 01:29:57,600
they're passing out

2433
01:30:01,830 --> 01:30:00,880
oh yeah probably so yeah i i want to

2434
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:01,840
tell everybody

2435
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:04,480
uh in case you aren't aware of the epic

2436
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:05,679
voyagers

2437
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:09,120
dot website that is the website for

2438
01:30:15,910 --> 01:30:13,280
epic there is also a youtube

2439
01:30:17,590 --> 01:30:15,920
channel for epic voyagers and on that

2440
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:17,600
youtube channel

2441
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:20,239
you will find a treasure trove of all

2442
01:30:25,510 --> 01:30:22,560
kinds of video clips

2443
01:30:26,470 --> 01:30:25,520
many of them of the meetings the epic

2444
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:26,480
meetings that happen

2445
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:28,320
almost every month once a month in

2446
01:30:32,149 --> 01:30:29,840
grapevine texas

2447
01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:32,159
including at least two if not three of

2448
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:33,120
jim himself

2449
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:35,360
speaking one time on the occulted our

2450
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:37,440
occult history right jim

2451
01:30:40,629 --> 01:30:39,199
that's correct do you remember what your

2452
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:40,639
other topics were i think you're on

2453
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:42,000
there three times

2454
01:30:45,910 --> 01:30:44,159
i think i made one on the rise of the

2455
01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:45,920
fourth right

2456
01:30:49,990 --> 01:30:47,520
which is along the lines of what we've

2457
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:50,000
been talking about tonight and then

2458
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:53,600
i i'm not sure yeah i either made it

2459
01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:55,920
want to say alien agenda wasn't that

2460
01:30:59,910 --> 01:30:57,920
yeah i think it was either alien agenda

2461
01:31:01,430 --> 01:30:59,920
or the kennedy assassination

2462
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:01,440
i'm thinking it might have been alien

2463
01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:03,840
agenda i'm thinking you might be right

2464
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:06,080
yeah but i know that ken cherry the

2465
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:07,040
president of epic

2466
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:10,159
is adding uh new videos there all the

2467
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:11,040
time you'll find

2468
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:13,679
jim you'll find nick redfearn you'll

2469
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:14,400
find dr

2470
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:16,960
sam osmanagich who is the fellow who's

2471
01:31:21,189 --> 01:31:18,800
digging the bosnian pyramids

2472
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:21,199
john capela lots of names that you'll

2473
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:21,920
recognize

2474
01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:24,880
so check out the youtube channel and the

2475
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:27,520
website for epic voyagers

2476
01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:30,480
and yeah if you can make the epic

2477
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:31,920
borders meeting

2478
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:35,199
uh there uh in texas uh uh

2479
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:36,960
we've been we've had some really really

2480
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:38,800
good get-togethers and it's a

2481
01:31:43,350 --> 01:31:41,760
pretty good enthusiastic bunch well here

2482
01:31:46,229 --> 01:31:43,360
here's a good deal for all of you

2483
01:31:48,629 --> 01:31:46,239
listeners out there

2484
01:31:51,110 --> 01:31:48,639
if jim and michael tellinger are going

2485
01:31:53,189 --> 01:31:51,120
to be presenting in farmer's branch

2486
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:53,199
at the cathedral of light on august the

2487
01:31:59,110 --> 01:31:54,639
29th

2488
01:32:01,669 --> 01:31:59,120
on 9 i think it's 9-1

2489
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:01,679
the epic voyagers meeting in grapevine

2490
01:32:06,629 --> 01:32:03,840
the monthly meeting will be

2491
01:32:08,229 --> 01:32:06,639
nick redfearn and his co-author dr

2492
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:08,239
robert wood

2493
01:32:11,669 --> 01:32:10,400
talking about their new book alien

2494
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:11,679
viruses

2495
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:13,920
and then the very next night monday

2496
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:15,760
night

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nick will be online here on epic voyages

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radio on inceptionradionetwork.com and

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they'll be talking about their book that

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night so that would be a jam-packed

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weekend for anybody

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if you were happening happen to be in

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the north texas area

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let me run down who's coming on radio

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next week dr reed is going to be here

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with you

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talking to robert stephen thomas uh the

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author of

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intelligent intervention nick redfern of

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course on the second as i just said dr

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reed is back

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on the ninth with bruce cunningham who

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is the organizer for the ancient

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mysteries conference

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i'll be back again on the 16th talking

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to dr sam ozmanage about his 2013

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bosnian pyramid research season

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and some of you may remember a couple of

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weeks ago

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i was interviewing uh dr aaron judkins

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who was about to climb mount ararat on

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an expedition to

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look for the ark and he will be back

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shortly probably within another week or

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so and i'll be

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interviewing him again to find out uh

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all that he went through and what they

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found and that'll be in early october

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so we heard have you heard any further

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on that

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no he made it pretty clear to me that

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they've been told not to say too much

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he's got a couple of pictures on

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facebook and on his website but they're

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you know they're pictures of him on top

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of mount ararat and sunrise uh

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with the shadow of mount era right there

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the discovery channels filming and i'm

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pretty sure that they're trying to keep

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it

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out of the the limelight until they can

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publish it themselves

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right so well jim

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that's going to be interesting though

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it's going to be fascinating

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um i'm looking forward to seeing you in

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texas i'll be back down there

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in another month myself and maybe we'll

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get it together with ken and

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and uh knock back a couple of dark beers

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and eat some mexican food

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sounds like a plan thank you so much

2553
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and thank you everybody for listening

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and don't forget to check out jim's

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website

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inceptionradionetwork.com the only place

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to listen to

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thank you for being with us tonight

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please join us again next monday evening

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for extraordinary phenomena

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investigations councils